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Drafting: Tell Me Why

The pro draft is an annual mystery to college fans. It's not that we really know the players better than the scouts - most Saints fans with any clue about the SEC probably groaned when the Saints traded up to pick Jonathan Sullivan in 2002, but I guessed Alan Branch would instantly dominate the league after inexplicably falling to the second round last year, and he finished with nine tackles as a backup. Predictably, the real scouts are better than their armchair counterparts.

If I'm forced to concede to their wisdom, though, I still don't understand it sometimes. Take these two quarterbacks, both multi-year starters, in non-yardage or attempt-based passing categories:

QB A QB B Advantage
Height 6-5 6-4 Push
Weight 228 229 Push
40 Time 4.95 4.84 Eh...Push
2006 Rating 126.7 154.5 QB B
2006 TD% 3.5 7.4 QB B
2006 INT% 2.4 1.7 QB B
2006 Comp. % 61.7 63.0 QB B
2006 Yds./Att. 6.9 8.4 QB B
2006 Oppts. Eff.* 48.8 43.1 QB B
2007 Rating 127.0 144.5 QB B
2007 TD% 4.7 7.8 QB B
2007 INT% 2.9 2.1 QB B
2007 Comp. % 59.3 63.1 QB B
2007 Yds./Att. 6.9 7.2 QB B
2007 Oppts. Eff.* 42.2 49.7 QB A
Team PPG as Starter 27.2 31.6 QB B
* Average of opponents' national rankings in pass efficiency defense.
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Add one more line to "Advantage," this time in favor of Quarterback A: salary. It's not that Matt Ryan (QB A) was drafted ahead of André Woodson (QB B) despite being ostensibly outplayed by his physical equal according to every possible measure against comparable competition two years in a row. It's not really even that Ryan went 195 spots ahead of Woodson, along with two I-AA players, Joe Flacco and Josh Johnson, and a conference rival, Erik Ainge, who failed with better surrounding talent to match Woodson's stats or estimation in the eyes of league coaches (it was Woodson, not Ainge, who was second team all-SEC the last two years, behind JaMarcus Russell in 2006 and Tim Tebow last year). Flacco was a late riser, but Ryan, Johnson, Ainge and every other quarterback drafted fell more or less (within a round, at worst) where he was expected to fall.


Yo, war rooms: read between the lines.
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What's really weird is that, after he played his last college game in December, Woodson was considered a first rounder, more or less the equal of Ryan and Brian Brohm. He didn't even have a bad workout - he didn't run at all at the combine in February and seven teams had already lost interest enough to skip his pro day workout in March. Almost literally nothing happened, and Woodson fell from would-be savior of a borderline playoff team to late-round afterthought.

The only explanation seems to be momentum and groupthink - once a couple teams soured, nobody else wanted to be the sucker. Think about it this way: if Woodson had been hyped as a first round stud the way Ryan was through the entire process and been picked in the top 20, would you, college fan, have blinked once? If Ryan had fallen to the fourth round because of questions about his deep ball and unusually high interception total? Whatever separated them was not evident on the field in any way that mattered.

The same thing happened to Dan Connor, a sturdy, consistent linebacker projected in the top ten in January who wasn't actually selected until the third round. At least in Connor's case, there were only two middle linebackers picked in front of him, suggesting teams just weren't in the market for middle linebackers. At least he wasn't passed over for the likes of Timothy Hightower, Xavier Omon and Furman fullback Jerome Felton at his position, like Mike Hart, who finally fell to the Colts in the sixth (too small? Too slow? Jacob Hester went in the third).

At least both of them were picked:

Undrafted Players on BCS All-Conference Teams
Jamar Adams Ali Highsmith Erin Henderson Darrell Robertson
Yvenson Bernard Jo-Lonn Dunbar Adam Kraus Jonal Saint-Dic
Barry Booker Keilen Dykes J Leman Dantrell Savage
Adarius Bowman Eric Foster Rafael Little Jamie Silva
Titus Brown Nate Garner Marc Magro Dorian Smith
Dorien Bryant Wallace Gilberry Durrell Mapp Pedro Sosa
Andre Callender Michael Grant Chris McDuffie Adam Speiker
Simeon Castille Marcus Griffin Ben Moffitt Kevin Tuminello
Johnny Dingle D.J. Hall Derrick Morse Eric Wicks
Derrick Doggett Vince Hall Martin O'Donnell Lorenzo Williams
Wesley Woodyard Jonathan Hefney Darius Reynaud D.J. Wolfe

Some of those also-rans are understandable for obvious size/speed reasons (see Dorien Bryant, Andre Callender and Marcus Griffin), and all-conference teams should be taken with a lot of skepticism to begin with. But a couple snubs (Adarius Bowman, D.J. Hall, J Lemen, Vince Hall, D.J. Wolfe) should make no sense at all to the people who have been watching them play throughout their careers. I'm pretty certain Bowman and Vince Hall at some point were "sure things" destined for early round stardom. The coaches and media around them in college obviously didn't see any difference while the games were still going on. But the scouts are probably right.

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Ali Highsmith, LSU....
...was also undrafted, 2007 First Team SEC Defense.
Had some disastrous 40 times in workouts, which I guess doesn't measure things like "always being in the right place to make a tackle."

by rd on Apr 28, 2008 12:30 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Harry Douglas went to the Falcons in the 3rd
I think all the others are right, though.  J Leman and Erin Henderson getting skipped were particularly surprising to me.

by HooShotYa on Apr 28, 2008 1:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Fixed.
Thanks. Knew I had Highsmith at one point in the process.

by SMQ on Apr 28, 2008 5:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wonderlic?
Don't get me wrong, I definitely think Woodson should have gone higher.  But do you think his alleged 14 Wonderlic Score (v. Ryan's 28) may have ultimately been the reason?

by Gator0109 on Apr 28, 2008 3:04 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe
Maybe, but I don't think so. Vince Young, even after his retest, didn't have a particularly high score.

I think it comes down to delivery. In the NFL, one of the most important parts of playing QB is getting rid of the ball quickly. If the scouts don't think you can do that, you're going to get hammered.

They also probably see Woodson as more or less a finished product. They don't see him as having the Tremendous Upside Potential(TM) that the smaller school guys do. So, limited upside plus slow delivery equals 6th round pick.

by Year2 on Apr 28, 2008 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cory Boyd
As a Gamecock fan, I was checking in all day yesterday to see when Cory Boyd would get his name called.  I did not expect to see him on the first day, with several RBs obviously ahead of him (DMAC).  But to barely get picked in the 7th round was shocking.  But despite some early bad decisions (including a "back like cooked crack" comment on national television), the kid does not have any of the character flaws that he was hammered for.  He's not the fastest running back on the board (again, see DMAC) but he is a strong downfield runner that's tough to bring down.  See the clip from the 2006 Clemson game where he knocked a #1 draft pick straight on his orange clad ass.

by Charlestowne on Apr 28, 2008 10:04 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Adarius Bowman
Ran like a 4.6 or something at the combine.  With very few exceptions (Terrell Davis and Emmitt Smith come to mind, but they're both Running Backs where speed isn't quite as important), people that are that slow are not going to be good in the NFL.  Then he got arrested for Marijuana possession.  At that point, pretty much everyone backed off.

Let's not forget that these teams go through incredibly detailed background checks of these guys, and if they find anything at all, they're going to back off unless the guy's a superstud.  Also, interviews are very important, and a lot of these all-conference players have been top shit on their teams and have an attitude to match.  That's not going over well with an NFL team.  You have to be really freakishly athletic to overcome stuff like that in the draft (see: Lawrence Phillips)

But I think the big difference is that the kind of skills that can allow you to dominate in college don't always translate to the NFL.  Look at Reggie Bush, who I still think is a good player, but once he got to the pros and couldn't bounce everything outside effectively he became a glorified slot receiver who happened to line up in the backfield.  I still don't get Woodson, though.  That kid was a stud in college and makes really good decisions with the football.  Maybe his wind-up is a little longer than scouts like but to fall that far?  But what do I know.

by carlinthemarlin on Apr 28, 2008 10:44 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

4.6
You are quite right about the speed needed in the NFL; though I knew both Jerry Rice and Chris Carter ran a 4.6.  I know a lot of people did not like Woodson's delivery, but I thought it was a lot better than VY's delivery.  He releases from a very high point, even though it is sort of funky.  I am still depressed that the Falcons did not take Dorsey (Warren Sapp), and took Matt Ryan.  I keep hoping that I am wrong about him.

by Kennybk483 on Apr 28, 2008 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Woodson was also apparently pretty bad at Sr Bowl
To go along w/ his bad Wonderlic, he could not grasp the new offense that Martz presented there.  Supposedly, he was the worst of all the attendees in this area.  

by randylsu on Apr 28, 2008 11:25 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

My biggest problem with Woodson...
...was his slow thought processes.  When he did something well, it was called "poise in the pocket", but too many times he seemed to take too long in his reads or improvising, and it cost him (think of the end of the Tennessee game, for example).  If I were a pro scout, that would scare me to death (especially combined with what is a pretty slow delivery).  He'll have less time to think and react in the pros, and that will be his achille's heel.

by Bill C. on Apr 28, 2008 11:29 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Slow release
As previously mentioned Woodson has a slow release and delivery motion. This led to his abnormally high sack rate of 6.8%. He's Byron Leftwich with a lot less arm strength.

by DoubleB on Apr 28, 2008 1:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

"Poise" is my guess
Woodson may have had the stats, but he never looked like an Einstein under center.

by DN Nation on Apr 28, 2008 1:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What does that mean?
How would Einstein have looked leading the SEC in touchdowns and setting the NCAA record for attempts without an interception?

by SMQ on Apr 28, 2008 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well...
Perhaps a little smarter than the guy who refused to throw the ball out of bounds on multiple occasions against UGA or UT? Or who screwed around in the pocket in those same games despite having about 1,000 different options downfield?

Just a thought.

I don't think Ryan will be worth anything, FWIW. But neither will Woodson.

by DN Nation on Apr 29, 2008 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

To be fair ...
It must be remembered that Ryan had absolutely zero talent at WR to work with at BC. In the bowl game, I think BC's defense had more catches than their offense, and it wasn't because Ryan wasn't hitting guys in the numbers - it was because said WRs had the worst case of butterfingers I've seen since ... well, since the last time I tried to play football.

by SpartanDan on May 2, 2008 6:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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