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Up and Up: North Carolina

Teams on the rise sooner, not later.
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Where They've Been. John Bunting was probably doomed in 2003, off back-to-back 3-9 and 2-10 years, and who knows how far his tortured stay through 2006 set the program back. If only UNC hadn't stunned Miami in 2004, it would have missed another bowl game and probably gotten on with the rebuilding job in 2005. Who could the Heels have landed in `05 - probably not Les Miles, given his destination, or Steve Spurrier, given his alma mater, but Ty Willingham, maybe? Greg Robinson? Dave Wannstedt? Walt Harris? Ron Zook? Er.

Actually, maybe it's better in the long run that the bowl bid bought Bunting another year, and that going 5-6 in '05 bought him another year, somehow, and that the team's horriffic start in 2006 bought him a ticket on the next train at midseason. The head start in the hiring process led Carolina to the best available change agent...

Catalysts. All optimism re: UNC is tied at its core to Butch Davis, and specifically an encore of the resuscitation he engineered at probation-racked Miami in the late nineties. The steady decline and eventual collapse of the Coker era at the U was further proof that the 2001 mythical championship team was really Davis' baby, and the `02 team that came within a pass interference penalty of repeating, too (totally legit call, `Canes fans. Sorry). Carolina's kitchen was a whole different kind of mess, off four losing seasons in five years, three of them with three wins or less, and a cupboard practically bare of competitive talent. It's a full-scale remodeling job.

Davis' first team was only 4-8, 3-5 in the ACC, a very Bunting-like result. So if you think the Heels are going anywhere, the foundation of that premise has to be Butch's history of success in Miami.

Youth Movement. You can make a very, very long list chronicling the contributions made by freshmen - mostly true freshmen - and sophomores to last year's effort. Or you can condense it:

Underclassman Contributions, 2007
Offense Starters % of Rush Yds. % of Rec. Yds. % of Scoring
Freshmen 3 87 20 31
Sophomores 4 3 46 17
Returning in '08 10 101 99 68
Defense Starters % of Tackles % of Sacks/TFL % of Miscellaneous
Freshmen 5 37 27 38
Sophomores 2 16 21 18
Returning in '08 9 68 57 73

All of the departing points were via the leg of Connor Barth. The losses on offense amount to the center and Nebraska refugee Joe Dailey, an occasional contributor at receiver after a predictably dismal junior year in and out of the quarterback spot in 2006. These are also the two who combined for -7 yards on two carries last year, the totality of the -1 percent of the rushing offense attributed to departing seniors. The stars of the offense were receivers Hakeem Nicks, an all-ACC pick as a sophomore, and junior Brandon Tate, who contributed as much as a kick returner as he did as a receiver en route to leading the conference in all-purpose yards. That may change as hyped `07 recruits Greg Little and Zack Pianalto command more attention, as they did over the last month of their freshman campaign: Pianalto grabbed 15 of his 24 receptions in the last five games, and Little, listed as a receiver, popped off for 89 yards as a full-time running back against Georgia Tech and 154 against Duke in the last two games. That was UNC's only individual 100-yard rushing game of the season, but two other freshmen (Johnny White and Anthony Elzy) had 90-yard games earlier in the year. It's a good bet with Little's addition that contingent won't finish 107th in rushing again.

That's not to mention another top 25 running back recruit, Ryan Houston, who was a major part of the rotation in the toughest stretch of the season (42 of Houston's 44 carries were against South Florida, Virginia Tech, Miami, South Carolina and Wake Forest), or Mike Paulus, a top ten quarterback prospect who redshirted and might push last year's surprisingly efficient freshman starter, T.J. Yates, or Jamal Womble, a four-star kid out of Arizona Rivals rated as the 14th-best running back in this year's incoming class. The skill positions for at least the next three years will be two and three-deep with VHTs, and that doesn't include the known quantities, Nicks and Tate, who were much less heralded.


That's Mister Marvin Austin, to quarterbacks.
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But even those numbers don't match the efforts of underclassmen on the defense, where half of the team's top dozen tacklers were freshmen, four of them true freshmen. The secondary was three-fourths freshman in November, four-fifths went it went nickel. The focus this offseason will be largely on the loss of Kentwan Balmer, Hilee Taylor and Durell Mapp, three seniors who were unquestionably the team's best players in the front seven (all three were second team all-ACC; Balmer might be a first round pick in April). But their replacements were already in the lineup at the end of the year: true freshmen Bruce Carter and Quan Sturdivant closed as the starting outside linebackers, and all-world recruit Marvin Austin, technically a backup on a deep defensive line, was frequently a terror (six tackles for loss, including four sacks) at end and tackle. If hyped redshirt Tydreke Powell can work his way into the lineup alongside Austin, E.J. Wilson, Cam Thomas and Aleric Mullins - all sophomores and juniors this year, all well-regarded prospects with significant playing time - "talent" will not begin to apply as an excuse for ongoing mediocrity.

Surprising Wins, Close Losses, and Other Circumstantial Momentum. As far as wins go, Carolina last year managed only one agaist an eventual bowl team, a three-point win over Maryland. Its only really impressive performance was in the first half against Davis' old team, when the Heels had Miami down 27-0 at the break. They proceeded to be outscored 27-6 in the second half, but a win is a win. There is something to be said for the effort in very close, very winnable games that got away against Virginia (22-20), South Carolina (21-16) and Georgia Tech (28-25), even to East Carolina (34-31 on a last second field goal), but UNC is still very much in the "turn close losses into close wins" phase.

Where They're Going. In 2008, probably no further than .500-ish record and a middling bowl game; any suggestion of a sudden, Illinois-like jump in the short term would be fairly ridiculous. In the long term, though, there's no definite ceiling. Mack Brown made Carolina an ACC power in the mid-nineties second only to the unstoppable Florida State behemoth in that decade, and no such hegemon exists in the current ACC. Davis has a great track record in college, has landed a couple big names and has already begun branching out for better talent. His window isn't very wide if the Heels are going to be better than mediocre, with Clemson back on the upswing, Al Groh hunkering down at Virginia, FSU and Miami perpetually locking down the most talent-rich state in the conference and Virginia Tech just being stodgy, consistent, badass Virginia Tech. Davis has to be able to sell the "upward mobility" angle as long as possible, and a failure to demonstrate that on the field - I think bowl-eligibility is a must to sustain a tangible sense of momentum - will turn future Greg Littles and Marvin Austins away. I'd bet on competitive mediocrity and an upset or two. Or bust.

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Carolina Is Hardly a Lock For Greatness
You have a salient analysis of UNC, as they have a good chance of becoming relevant in the ACC.

You are, however, overlooking a number of important factors that may prove to be an impediment to their aspirations:

  1. There are five D1 programs in NC, and even though it is the 10th largest state in the country, there is a smaller talent pool than one might think -- and with a lot of teams recruiting it heavily.  Schools like Virginia Tech, who already have what UNC wants come down here.  So does Georgia and Clemson.  Those top programs often cherry pick the talent pool.  Look at the recruiting rankings for NC and see where the top ten went.  UNC is not dominating that talent pool under Butch Davis.
  2. In fact, Butch Davis is not recruiting NC heavily at all.  He is preferring to go to Florida as he did in Miami, but UNC is not Miami and they aren't in Florida.  UNC won't be able to harvest more than UF, UM and FSU in the Sunshine State.  That leaves him with a recruiting problem if it continues.
  3. Of the NC schools, who has really worked hard in-state?  Tom O'Brien at NC State, who is not exactly a poor coach in his own right.  He's every bit as good on the sidelines and now that O'Brien is free of the shackles of the high academics of BC, he's grabbing folks like top-5 QB Mike Glennon.  The NCSU class this year is not glamorous because it is heavy on line and core athletes, but we all know that O'Brien knows how to build programs.  That he is emphasizing NC is not good news for Davis.
  4. Davis is not Jim Grobe.  Grobe is a better talent developer, game planner and game coach.  And Wake Forest is also close to UNC.
So while the road ahead for UNC might be clear at first glance, the fact is that UNC is only one of several NC schools that are in an arms race.  There is a solid corps of coaches here now in-state, with Holtz, Grobe, Davis, O'Brien and Cutcliffe.  

That said, expect UNC to not be a breakout any time soon...unless they get very lucky.  Good, but not "The U" good.

by RAWFS on Mar 6, 2008 3:54 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

5 FBS schools
While technically correct that there are five FBS schools in North Carolina that doesn't mean they are all recruiting similar quality players. I KNOW Duke isn't recruiting at a high level and I'm pretty sure ECU isn't as well.

It's similar to when people state that there are 10 FBS schools in Texas. Well, only two of them are recruiting on the same level (at least in theory)--Texas and Texas A&M. Does anyone really think Rice, SMU, UTEP, and Baylor are getting any of those players Texas really wants?

by DoubleB on Mar 6, 2008 9:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Florida Recruiting
I disagree about Florida recruiting. I really don't think we've seen the bottom of Florida's football talent pool yet -- the recent success of UCF, USF, and Florida Atlantic show how quickly a program can be built using Florida talent.

Now, if you compare the attractiveness of UNC to those three schools, I think it's definitely possible that Butch Davis could use those talented troublemakers to build a program that would attract the top-tier talent. Butch Davis is enough of a disciplinarian to be able to control any number of questionable characters while using their talent to build a good program. I'd give UNC 3-4 years before they're competing for the ACC Championship.

by Alaska Hokie on Mar 8, 2008 4:03 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Tom O'Brien's performance....
at BC always kind of reminded me of Bower at Southern Miss (without the whole "I'm picking up the pieces after a gambling fiasco" thing).  He just seemed pretty consistent about bringing the Eagles to a lower-tier bowl game year-in and year-out and had pretty disappointing conference records (obviously Southern Miss playing in CUSA and all had higher expectations) for a good stretch there.  Yeah, he had three 9 win seasons there at the end.  Maybe I'm way off base?

by Roommate Guy on Mar 6, 2008 5:45 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

BC and Bowls
Keep in mind the reason that BC has not gotten into bigger bowls is that they travel horribly, and that bowls are businesses.  As such, many bowls pass on BC, so much so that if the ACC had not changed its rules in the 2007 offseason, the ACC's 2nd place team might have gone to Boise.

This season, 46554 attendees were at the Champs Bowl in a 70000 seat stadium, for a whopping 67% attendance.  The Gator and Peach passed them and the Champs was required to take them.  Given that weak attendance, you can hardly blame them.  This came on the heels of BC having a pitiful attendance in the ACC Championship Game - fewer than 5,000 according to many estimates.  No doubt the Orange Bowl was on its knees thanking God that VT won that title game.

see: 2007/08 ACC Bowl Attendance

Compare that to NC State, where NCSU brought an estimated 35,000 fans to the 2003 Gator Bowl for a total attendance of 73,491.  That is music to the ears of bowl committees, and the likes of the Chick-Fil-A saying publicly that they would like to invite NCSU because of their following.

To bring this back to your point, if NCSU achieves the level of success that O'Brien brought to BC, the bowl committees will be salivating to bring the Wolfpack down to their games.

UNC is also roughly in the same boat, BTW.  The Tar Heel faithful are very hungry for a good bowl bid and should it come down to BC versus UNC for a particular berth there is little question that the bowl will choose UNC.  Or, to use the words of Gary Stokan, president of the Chick-Fil-A bowl, they will "protect their ticket."

by RAWFS on Mar 7, 2008 12:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The Miami-OSU PI Call
Your photo on the link shows the play AFTER the ball had already passed by, or more accurately, been dropped by Gamble, which, to say the least, is completely misleading.

by DoubleB on Mar 6, 2008 7:42 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Not misleading
I can't believe this came up, but try this:

http://www.buckeyefansonly.com/images/passinterferenceongamble1.jpg

Definitely pass interference. I thought so when it happened. The only controversy is why the ref took so long to drop the flag.

by SMQ on Mar 6, 2008 9:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

adfsad
I don't think it's PI, you do. I think there's room to agree to disagree on the call. You apparently do not. So be it. That doesn't change the fact your original photo shows Gamble after he's already touched the football which we can all agree isn't PI.

I also find it surprising that you don't think the most memorable officiating decision since the 5-down Missouri-Colorado game of 1990 would garner a comment, even if mentioned in passing.

by DoubleB on Mar 6, 2008 9:32 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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