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Classic Favre!

A commenter on a previous post is disappointed I didn't respond immediately to the retirement of Brett Favre, the only person, animal or mineral widely associated with my alma mater. He's right.

I don't have much to say, though, or much time to say it. I was a kid when Favre was at Southern Miss, saw him play in person maybe once, against one of the directional Louisianas, I think. I had a Favre poster in my room when he was still in school, the existence of which was probably some kind of violation. There is the story that he was signed as a safety with the last available scholarship, by a coach who knew he couldn't play safety but was the only guy willing to take a chance on him as a college quarterback, and about the quasi-famous, game-winning pass he threw against Louisville, which the receiver knew to look for because he "heard it whistling."

Otherwise, just watch this other old YouTube clip of Brett in his high school and college days. I'm not in a position to hear it now, but the slow, reverential pan at the start indicates the music is terrrrrible.

Next stop, Hall of Fame, where he'll join one other ex-Golden Eagle who should be there, and is, metaphorically, whether there was a vote or an "official" bust of him or not: Ray Guy. In the meantime, Adalius Thomas and Michael Boley carry the Nasty Bunch torch in the pros, until Gerald McRath gets there. Way to go, Brett.

And for all you distraught Green Bay fans, an evil Taco Bell sales rep has e-mailed me to promote the chain's "Nacho Day" (say it out loud) across Wisconsin, previously awarded to South Bend in the midst of Notre Dame's meltdown last September. This edition does not come with free nachos, but it does include a sublimely ridiculous award dedicated to the city and Packer fans everywhere. Um, enjoy.

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Sorry SMQ...
...but Ray Guy is not unfortunately in the NFL Hall of Fame.

by Reese on Mar 5, 2008 4:54 PM EST   0 recs

I'm not even going to check that
That doesn't change his stature. He's the unanimous top punter in history, so it's the Hall of Fame's loss if true. I mean, officially, I don't know, but he's famous. He possesses fame. So there you go.

by SMQ on Mar 5, 2008 5:44 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Unanimous?
By what measure?  A large part of Guy's notoriety is due to John Madden constantly stating that Guy was the best punter he'd ever seen.  He only led the league in (gross) punting three times, and finished his career with a pedestrian 42.4 yard average.  He's tied for 61st in career yards per punt:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/punt_yds_per_punt_career.htm

In addition, Guy wasn't a directional punter or a punter who could pin other teams deep.  He averaged a mediocre 19 punts inside the 20 per season, which which would have put him 23rd in the NFL in 2007.  That's one of the reasons Paul Zimmerman, who's a selector, won't put him in the HoF:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/inside_game/dr_z/news/2000/11/09/drz_insider/

Sure, Guy was pretty good, but he definitely wasn't the best punter ever, and there's no good reason why he should be in the HoF.

by whitedawg on Mar 5, 2008 8:40 PM EST   0 recs

Lies.
All lies, whitedawg. Ray Guy once punted a ball THROUGH THE ROOF OF THE SUPERDOME, THROUGH THE TROPOSPHERE AND INTO ORBIT. Blasphemy.

Anyway, he was the punter on the league's 75th anniversary team.

by SMQ on Mar 5, 2008 10:34 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

It's ridiculous
The only explanation for Guy not being in the NFL HoF is that certain people refuse to vote for a punter.  As you've already pointed out, he was named the best punter of the league's first 3/4 century.  How is that not HoF material?  He literally re-defined the position.  The term "hang time" was created to measure what Ray Guy did with a football.  He was also the first player ever drafted to the NFL in the first round as a punter.  

Strictly speaking, I suppose it doesn't reflect his NFL credentials, but the award given to the best collegiate punter is named after Ray Guy.  What more do these voters want?  The NFL HoF's credibility is hurt by the absence of Ray Guy moreso than vice-versa.

Oh, and in the '76 Pro Bowl he actually did hit the Superdome's video screen.

by Shawn1228 on Mar 9, 2008 4:58 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

As far as the stats...
The yards per punt average only has a spread of 4 yards from #1 to #61 all-time (#1 is 46.5; #61 is 42.4), so statistically speaking, that's meaningless (I'll leave it for SMQ to run the actual standard deviation and such ;) ).

As for the kicks inside the 20, the NFL didn't even keep that stat the first 3 years he played (I can't say with certainty, but he's probably responsible for its adoption, too). Besides, how do you fairly take a player from the 1970s-80s and compare his stats straight-up with players from 2007 anyway?  Heck, Terry Bradshaw averaged only 167 passing yards a game over his career--where would that rank in 2007?  To get the proper perspective, compare Guy to those who came before him and played against him, not those who followed him (his 6 straight and 7 overall Pro Bowls are standing records for the position, BTW).  Current punters--and coaches, in terms of field position strategy--have merely perfected concepts Guy introduced to the game.

One more thing.  In his entire 14-year, 1000+ punt career, ZERO of his kicks were ever returned for a touchdown.  He also only had 3 blocked.  That more than makes up for 4 yards off an average.

by Shawn1228 on Mar 9, 2008 6:08 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

#4 with a bullet.
Much like yourself, I was a witness to Favre at Southern maybe once or twice, depending on how many times my dad had to travel up to McComb to mow my grandma's yard those couple of seasons.  However, Favre is a part of one of my fondest sports related memories: my dad buying John Michael Hearne a Favre jersey at a game he took us to back in '92 and forcing him to wear it home.  I'll never forget Mike Hearne leaning in to whisper to my dad what certainly must have been "Fuck you Russ." I can only imagine the beating John Michael must have had to endure.  By the by, where did EDSBS get that picture of you in the 'Cleave shirt?  And what in the fuck were you thinking?

by Roommate Guy on Mar 6, 2008 3:30 AM EST   0 recs

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