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BLOG POLLIN': WEEK ELEVEN BALLOT

BlogPoll Ballot, Week 11
This is not a power poll.
1. LSU (8-1)
2. Oregon (8-1)
3. Ohio State (10-0)
4. Oklahoma (8-1)
5. Missouri (8-1)
6. Kansas (9-0)
7. Arizona State (8-1)
8. Boston College (8-1)
9. West Virginia (7-1)
10. Connecticut (8-1)
11. Georgia (7-2)
12. Michigan (8-2)
13. Virginia Tech (7-2)
14. Virginia (8-2)
15. Auburn (6-3)
16. Florida (6-3)
17. Penn State (7-3)
18. Texas (7-2)
19. Florida State (6-3)
20. Southern Cal (7-2)
21. Alabama (6-3)
22. California (6-3)
23. Tennessee (6-3)
24. Illinois (7-3)
25. Clemson (7-2)
Waiting: Cincinnati, Wisconsin, Boise State, South Florida, Kentucky, Hawaii, Purdue, Wake Forest, BYU, Arkansas.
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You know what? We’re supposed to defensively, pre-emptively trash our internal idiosyncracies and blatant contradictions, but all the usual flaws notwithstanding, I like this ballot. Go to hell. I like it.

The top ten is pretty clear cut, and the top three separated themselves last week from the pack, however briefly. Re: that top three, there are good arguments for putting LSU, Oregon and Ohio State in any sequence. I measure it like this:

LSU Oregon Ohio State
Arizona State
Virginia Tech Michigan
Auburn
Florida Southern Cal Penn State
Alabama Wisconsin
South Carolina Purdue
Miss. State Houston Michigan State
Wash. State Northwestern
Fresno State
Stanford
Washington Washington
Minnesota
Middle Tenn. State Kent State
Tulane Akron
Y'town State
Kentucky California

As always, that’s a rough guide to get an overall picture of the strength of schedule, not an inviolable mandate, i.e. LSU’s win over Auburn is not necessarily ‘better’ than Ohio State’s win over Penn State, but it does show that the Tigers have won more games of that kind of merit. It is indeed arbitrary. Anyway, I think it’s lazy to just stick the Buckeyes at the top because of the ‘0’ in the loss column when there are serious questions about every team OSU has beaten: by my estimation, given the almost unbelievable scope of LSU’s annihilation of Virginia Tech in September (this remains the single most dominant performance of the year, in my opinion), the Tigers and Ducks have at least two wins apiece, and possibly three, more valuable than Ohio State’s best win, and far fewer games clustered at the bottom of the ledger. It’s not that the Buckeyes aren’t playing well, because they most certainly are, but they just don’t have the big games at this point. Washington’s collapse to the bottom of the Pac Ten, when Oregon and LSU each have big, early non-conference blowouts over teams that are collectively 13-1 in the meantime, is the biggest difference.

Remember, too, that this is only a snapshot: it’s pretty clear that once LSU is finished playing Louisiana Tech and Ole Miss over the next two weeks, during which time Ohio State has (presumably) beaten Illinois and Michigan, the scales are going to tip in the Buckeyes’ favor. I imagine OSU will also surpass Oregon, which plays Arizona, sinking UCLA and Oregon State, middle-padding fare that means statsis for the Ducks’ resumé as Ohio State’s improves.

Oklahoma over Missouri: head to head. Missouri over Kansas: the Jayhawks’ non-conference schedule can never be anything but a complete joke and a liability.

Even I can’t believe UConn checks in among the top ten, but the Huskies have now won three staight games against winning teams and only bear the albatross of a one-point loss to 7-2 Virginia; even more unbeleivable (speaking of albatrosses) is that Michigan has climbed from the muck of the worst 0-2 start in the country, slowed by the Appalachian State thing and key injuries all the way, back to number twelve, with a good chance of slipping into the top ten in time to play Ohio State for the Big Ten championship in a week and a half. Only in America!

Welcome back my friends: Slots 17-20 are occupied by dormant and/or unreservedly sketchy powers Penn State, Texas, Florida State and USC, vaulting from out of the poll last week into the top 20 after a combination of "big" wins Saturday and advantageous losses in the bottom half of the poll (see below). FSU wasn’t even on last week’s waiting list, but the (for now) very highly valued win over Boston College gives the ‘Noles road victories over B.C. and Colorado and a neutral site win over Alabama (it helps, too, that N.C. State is crawling off the ‘ worthless bottom feeder’ list into ‘merely bad’ territory). Texas benefits from not losing, again, even if the value of UT’s wins remains underwhelming. At least the Longhorns have beaten a winning team now – ditto USC after resuming not losing against Oregon State – and are taking on far less water with the close loss to Oklahoma than the competition, which by and large has one more defeat than Texas to devalue its case. I would not expect much movement from the Longhorns again, though, even with wins over Texas Tech and A&M, unless there’s significant attrition in front of them.


Thin ice, Mack. Thin ice.
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Also moving back in: Illinois, on a combination of not losing, the slightly increasing value of beating Penn State and the decreasing punishment of losing close (verrrrry close) to Missouri in the opener. Missouri and Michigan are one thing; if only the Illini hadn’t lost to Iowa...

Sayonnara, suckers. Bounced: South Florida, South Carolina, Wake Forest and Wisconsin, all losers Saturday, and Kentucky, which had the day off but lost ground in the process, by my count, to seven different winners last week – the five re-entrants listed above as well as Cincinnati and Boise State – due in no small part to the rapid devaluation of the ‘Cats’ once not-so-bad loss at South Carolina, which now looks oh so bad. The only merit keeping UK afloat at all is its win over LSU.

It’s easier to justify booting Kentucky this week than it is booting South Florida, frankly, which despite three straight losses still has solid wins over two teams in my top fifteen. If the Jekyll and Hyde entries on the Bulls’ resumé cancel each other out, you’re left with a team that’s beaten North Carolina, Central Florida, Florida Atlantic and Elon and that is currently tied with Syracuse for last place in the Big East. The Bulls are one of the four ‘Waiting’ list teams (along with Cincy, Wisconsin and Kentucky) I still feel good about and think have an excellent chance of moving right back in next week – the distance between these teams and the bottom seven-eight teams actually in the poll is virtually nil and could be completely flipped based on the whims of my spacy logic. I repeat: this is not a science.

Contradiction of the Week. Purdue, not in last week’s poll or on last week’s ‘Waiting’ list, loses to Penn State as expected, only to find itself on this week’s waiting list. I can only claim a slight change in methodology: Purdue isn’t any better after its 15th consecutive loss against a winning team, but the Boilers are 7-3, and the cutoff for consideration for this week’s ballot (like last week’s) was four losses, thereby eliminating Kansas State, Colorado, Oklahoma State, Miami and South Carolina.

Everything will be different next week.

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Oklahoma!
I think one of your West Virginias should be an Oklahoma.  

by enzo on Nov 7, 2007 10:04 AM EST reply actions  

Eep
Thanks for catching that so quickly, enzo.

by SMQ on Nov 7, 2007 10:07 AM EST up reply actions  

I can't disagree with Brian
I do think that Oregon has the most solid schedule of the top tier.

by Erik T on Nov 7, 2007 11:09 AM EST reply actions  

Agrees with Teams to Play for Championship
This site agrees with your top two: www.PlayWhatIf.com
It uses one of the BCS ranking codes to predict the BCS rankings at the end of the season. If you edit some of their default picks for other games it matches your ranking almost perfectly.

by sealfeeder @ Sunday Morning Quarterback on Nov 7, 2007 11:41 AM EST reply actions  

Looking good
especially at the top and about as good as can be expected considering the mess outside of the top 8 or 9 so.

Again, as last week, the rankig of Cal points out such flaws as there are within the methodology.  One supposes the inevitable trouncing by SC this weekend (at least two TDs and if the SC offense begins to function possibly 5) will remedy the distorition in short order but the Bears are looking mighty unworthy (sigh).  

by marcillac on Nov 7, 2007 2:06 PM EST reply actions  

Your top 3...
...are exactly the same as the top 3 in my Power Rankings. While you reach your 3 by keen observation and analysis, mine are spat out of a formula I devised that uses total offense and total defense modified by NCAA SOS, and win/loss records. In other words it uses unbiased data input equally weighted (the weighting of which could be bias in itself, I suppose).

Interesting we would get the same top 3. The top 5 in my formula are

  1. LSU
  2. Oregon
  3. OSU
  4. Kansas
  5. Oklahoma

by Mergz on Nov 7, 2007 2:26 PM EST reply actions  

About the top 3....
I just don't get the Oregon thing. People want to doubt OSU because they got thrashed by Florida last season? Oregon lost 38-8 to BYU in their bowl game. B freaking Y U.

Why is ASU considered such a quality win? ASU has beaten 2 teams with winning records- 6-3 Cal and 5-4 Oregon St. They'd be buried on your resume rankings, so why is an elite win for Oregon?

Oregon lost to Cal. A team on a tier with teams like Wisky and PSU, whom OSU beat handily. They also played a much different UM team than the one that is a top tier win now. Anyone realy think that game would remotely resemble the one we saw with the shellshocked UM in week 2?

LSU lost to Kentucky. A team on a tier with teams like Wisky and...you get the idea. Also, unlike BCS computers, margin of victory should mean something too.

Bottom line, both LSU and Oregon have lost to teams, OSU has not. They have lost to teams on the same level as the ones OSU has beaten by 3 TDs, they didn't lose to top 5 or 10 or even 20 teams.

by Pants McPants on Nov 7, 2007 4:20 PM EST reply actions  

Only minor quibble...
Would be putting Oklahoma over OSU.  The Sooners have 2 wins over teams that are better than OSU's best win (in my mind, I still rank a win over UT better than a win over PSU) and that loss to Colorado doesn't look nearly as bad now that the Buffs are a relatively solid .500 team.  But I can still see where the "and oh" for the Buckeyes would have more value when you're looking at such a slender margin.  Other than that, I like.

by Beatuofa on Nov 7, 2007 4:47 PM EST reply actions  

Couple of things
I heartily disagree that Southern Gal is on a par with Penn State.  Neutral field, Happy Valley, wherever, I think the USC defense would completely shut down PSU.

Pants McPants:  When Oregon lost to Cal it was at full strength and they way they were playing early on would have moved them to the top end of your beloved Big Televen.  Still, a loss is a loss.

Who has Tosu beaten?  The combined record of their opponents is 47-50 with only three 1-A opponents that have winning records (all 7-3 and in the Big 10).  Oregon's opponents, on the other hand, have a combined 50-32 record and all of them are division 1-A.  Only 3 have losing records.

I don't doubt Tosu for their loss last year, I doubt them because they really haven't been tested.  If they dismantle Michigan, I will believe.

by jfwells on Nov 7, 2007 5:09 PM EST reply actions  

I guess we'll just have to disagree then...
on the demerits of a "loss"...

It's quite apparent that the resume ranking thingy has caused people to focus so much on "who has beaten who" that they forget LSU and Oregon lost. They lost to teams that are barely top25 caliber. Teams on the same level as the ones OSU pummeled, even if OSU has played fewer of them overall.

by Pants McPants on Nov 8, 2007 9:36 AM EST reply actions  

"On the same level"
There is nothing but "who has beaten who," you know. There is no inherent strength independent of the cumulative value of individual, varying performances in the specific set of games you play.

LSU and Oregon have pummelled teams on higher levels than Kentucky and Cal, too - cumulatively higher, that is, not necessarily higher on that given day - and remember the circumstances of those two losses. The demerits in either case can't be much different than the "merit" of beating Youngstown State by any score.

by SMQ on Nov 8, 2007 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

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