Monday Grab Bag
No, no, not again. The worst result of last year's mythical championship game was the growth and perpetuation of this absurd notion of superior "SEC speed," based not on the collective 40 times and shuttle drills of hundreds of players on a couple dozen teams that make up the SEC and Big Ten, but on a handful of plays in a single game that was decidedly outside the season-long patterns of both participants, and not demonstrably decided by "speed" (unless you're willing to suggest Tennessee and Arkansas were done in a week earlier by "speed," too, which was at least as plausible). These conferences need to play more often.
Anyway, then, the foolish geographical chest-thumping only lasted a few days before the onset of the offseason relegated it to the safe obscurity of message boards and occasional comment thread. This time, do not expect the partisan sons of the South to fall quiet at any point over the next month prior to the Buckeyes' "rematch" (ugh) with LSU; for a sampling of the inane vitriol to come, check this comment thread, or any SEC board, or let the usually sage Gator fans at Saurian Sagacity sum it up in a series of smug that doesn't even apply to their own team:
Congrats to the Bayou Bengals on their bid to the BCS Championship game. Maybe next year we'll get to see OSU get trounced by a third SEC team but I'd prefer it to be the Gators again.
A Friendly Wager
Since Ohio State is to go from "Gator-Bait" to "Ti-Gah Bait" in only 1 year's time, here is a little friendly bet for our conference mates - can you beat the Buckeyes worse than we did?
The "line" is 27 points. We know LSU is going to win - but can the Tigers top a 27 point margin?
Taking all wagers.
Fun Fact: No SEC team has EVER lost a BCS Title game, the only conference undefeated in BCS title play.
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Wow, that 3-0 record truly shames them all.

If Ohio State wins, I'm sure we'll be reminded of "Big Ten Brains."
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Based on everything we know from both teams' performances this season, Ohio State and LSU should be a close, hard-hitting game between two of the few teams that still operate largely from traditional two-back sets on offense and do not hesitate to run old-fashioned isos, counters and traps into the line. It's an interesting collision of style and persona between loose cannon Les Miles and icy, understated mercenary Jim Tressel, and their emphases on emotion, "poise" (as Miles likes to repeat to his oft-flagged charges) and discipline. But it will be decided by the side that executes and catches the right breaks under the specific set of circumstances that unfold on Jan. 7, at which point, of course, that team will be instantly refashioned into gold-drenched superheroes with inherent abilities far beyond those of mortal men. Naturally: We are the champions! These are the myths we make.
But the athletes, the speed, all of that is a given. LSU and Ohio State have both turned in top ten recrutiting classes each of the last four seasons. They've all got the athletes. They've all got the speed. The differences in raw talent on this level are nil. This championship, like all championships, will be about combining management, strategy and execution in the moment, and probably a bounce or timely flag or two. Not as catchy as "SEC Speed," but anything more precise than wrongheaded, bumper sticker hubris rarely is.
The White Whale on D-Day. The fight has been a long one, comrades, a hard, bitter struggle through much difficulty, hardship and oppression, but a press conference is scheduled later today in Westwood that should officially seal the fate of Karl Dorrell as head coach at UCLA, and thus validate the Quixotic journey that has defined the daily, single-minded obsession of Bruins Nation for years. The L.A. Times reports the university is already searching for Dorrell's successor:
Dorrell will be fired and a short list of candidates has been assembled, sources familiar with the athletic department said Sunday.
Boise State Coach Chris Petersen is said to be the first choice of Athletic Director Dan Guerrero, with Texas Tech Coach Mike Leach and former NFL coach Steve Mariucci considered among the other top candidates. Representatives on behalf of the UCLA athletic department have contacted all three, multiple sources said.
Former Washington and Colorado coach Rick Neuheisel will not be considered for the job, according to one of the sources.
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Well, no Neuheisel, but Mike Leach in Hollywood? Yes, please. Leach's teams in dusty, mud-rain-drenched outpost Lubbock have been better every season than Dorrell's Bruins, and vastly more exciting despite less overall talent and less exposure in the middle of the Big 12 South.

You'll get `em at the next job, coach.
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I'm a little worried about Nestor and his boys at BN, though, who have poured so much time, energy and bandwidth into getting Dorrell fired that, with the moment of blissful truth finally upon them, they find the future without their nemesis empty and devoid of meaning. They like Peterson, Mariucci and Leach there. What are they going to write about and bump from the diaries if not venomous (yet usually very true) rants exposing the Doofus for the milquetoast underachiever he is? Be careful what you wish for, BN...
New Mexico Bowl for the New Mexicans! For the second straight year, the second year of the game's existence, the New Mexico Bowl has tabbed - surprise! - New Mexico as one of its participants, this time to face 6-6 Nevada, which almost beat both Boise State and Hawaii in WAC play, falling to both on the last play of the game.
This is just one of the things I learned from perusing the complete bowl schedule. Other amazing insights:
• The PapaJohn's.com Bowl - it's not sponsored by the pizza company, but the Web site of the pizza company - features possibly the most lopsided matchup in postseason history, according to Jeff Sagarin, who ranks 9-3 Cincinnati 13th in his PREDICTOR ratings. The Bearcats' opponent, my beloved Southern Miss, comes in at 84th, below I-AA Northern Iowa, Southern Illinois, Richmond, Delaware, Appalachian State and Massachusetts.
• The Motor City Bowl sets up a much-anticipate rematch of Purdue and new MAC champion Central Michigan, which lost by 23 points in West Lafayette in September after allowing 24 and more than 300 yards total offense to the Boilermakers in the first quarter.
• Boise State loses the WAC championship in a hostile environment in Hawaii...and gets to go back to Hawaii, to play East Carolina in the Sheraton Hawaii Bowl. The Pirates will be traveling about one-fifth of the entire circumference of the Earth.
• The two best pre-New Year's Day games, as usual, will be the Holiday, matching Texas and Arizona State, and the Peach Chick-Fil-A, between Auburn and Clemson. I can't think of a better bowl pairing: Atlanta is equidistant between Auburn and Clemson, and it had better stock up on the orange Tiger gear.
• Who's excited for 6-6 Colorado and 6-6 Alabama in the Independence Bowl? Nothing says "reward for a mediocre season" like dodging bullets in the cold on the way to the crumbling stadium off I-10 I-20 in beautiful Shreveport, especially for Tide fans, because they were just there last year!
• Wake Forest meets this year's Wake Forest, UConn, in the CarCare Bowl. Neither team will actually score - they'll just wait for the other side to turn it over in opportune field position. Prediction: a scoreless tie in regulation followed by a 33-30 Wake win in eleven overtimes, all ending in field goals.
• The Sun Bowl pits South Florida against Oregon in a sea of hideous green that seemed a lot more appealing a month ago.
• Best team not in a bowl: Troy. The Trojans entered Saturday's de facto Sun Belt championship game against Florida Atlantic at 8-3, having beaten Oklahoma State and the entire Sun Belt and only lost to SEC powers Florida, Arkansas and Georgia. But Howard Schnellenberger's FAU Owls pulled out the road upset and the automatic bid to the New Orleans Bowl, where they'll play Memphis in the first postseason game in school history on Dec. 21 while Troy stews in the snub.
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Purdue - CMU
I'm not sure Purdue will beat CMU in the bowl game. I know the CMU fans will be out in force, while the Purdue faithful will probably stay home (who wants to go to Detroit in December, anyway?) The CMU team will be out for blood, while the Boilers will be in "please don't let us lose" mode.
Purdue has CMU outclassed on sheer talent and physical ability on both sides of the ball. But they'll be lucky to walk away with a win.
by Brad Warbiany on Dec 3, 2007 12:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Eh, I don't know
That said, I can sympathize, because Rutgers is 7-5 against a MAC team in a bowl game they weren't expecting to be in either.
by sodakboy93 on Dec 3, 2007 1:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think maybe you don't actually like college FB
by DC Trojan on Dec 3, 2007 12:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Troy snub
46 (Troy)
48 Alabama
51 Purdue
53 Colorado
55 TCU
56 Tulsa
57 Indiana
57 New Mexico
58 Fresno St
62 Navy
64 East Carolina
67 Ball State
70 Florida Atlantic
70 Central Michigan
72 Bowling Green
74 Houston
76 Southern Miss
81 Nevada
87 Memphis
(The rankings are the majority consensus of 69 different computer ranking systems).
by JPK on Dec 3, 2007 12:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I take offense
I'll go back to being depressed by myself, now.
FYI - the rankings the above poster was citing:
by USCKB on Dec 3, 2007 1:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't feel too badly for Troy...
But Troy deserves better, because unlike Middle Tennessee St. last year (which got into a bowl with no appreciable wins of note), Troy actually had a win over a decent BCS team a representative performance against a top-10 Georgia squad.
by sodakboy93 on Dec 3, 2007 1:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I feel Troy's pain
by Shawn1228 on Dec 3, 2007 11:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Shreveport's off I-20, not I-10
Herbie made a good point on the broadcast last night that if one were to take Ohio State's team 40 speeds and compare it to LSU's, he wouldn't be able to tell which team is which (well, aside from Trindon Holliday's at the top). This notion that we've got by far and away the better talent has got to be quashed. It's nonsensical and I just hope that Miles & co are shrewd enough to keep those proclamations from getting to the Tigers' heads.
I do hope that for the next month, while Dorsey and Beckwith heal, we're bombarded with debate surrounding the "puzzling" deterioration of the LSU defense over the past month and a half. Sound the horns, ring the bells, somebody needs to start pumping up the Ohio State chances and stop fellating LSU, else Jan 7 could be a mirror image of last year's title game, only in reverse.
by GeauxTigers on Dec 3, 2007 1:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
discussion of the matchup
BTW, if you guys want to see an intelligent discussion of this matchup, there's one underway on the OSU fan site right now. A well-informed and civil discussion involving fans from both sides:
http://mbd.scout.com//mb.aspx?S=145&F=3154#s=145&f=3154&t=1572461
The first post is about the only one that's
The post that starts this thread is maybe the most "homerish" and unrealistic of the bunch. Skip past it and see what some of the other guys have to say.
by TallBill on Dec 3, 2007 1:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he wrote about it in a post within
A very fast, athletic and talented team, to be sure. One that Nick Saban or for that matter Mike the Tiger, even the new young one, could have coached to 3 National Titles? Hmm.
by marcillac on Dec 3, 2007 3:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, my point on the "careless"
by GeauxTigers on Dec 3, 2007 3:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't Steltz
Who, precisely, is going to coach these boys though? If BP stays, its hard to imagine he could give this his undivided attention.
by marcillac on Dec 3, 2007 4:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Haven't they told you SMQ?
No LSU O-lineman or D-tackle (or Florida, or Georgia, or Vanderbilt for pete's sake) runs said 40 in more than 4.3.
Les Miles' IQ is approximately 1/3 of his hat size.
(However, one might recall that you yourself wrote about the rather "marginal"-swingpointy nature of PSU's win over Tennessee.
by marcillac on Dec 3, 2007 3:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Last year
Of course, this year they're facing Lester...
by peachy on Dec 3, 2007 4:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope the
The blowout resulted not from a great disparity in speed and not even, I don't think from a coaching failure. I'm sure Tressel didn't disrespect Florida and tried to drill it into the players. You can only do so much. The layoff was to long, the banquet circuit too enticing and the press too fawning. Add a good game plan from Florida and a missing Ted Ginn and....
by marcillac on Dec 3, 2007 6:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I've always felt...
by peachy on Dec 3, 2007 7:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Corruption by design
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> Wow, that 3-0 record truly shames them all.
Perhaps someone will tell the SEC that no non-BCS conference team has ever lost a BCS bowl. That argument has just as much merit. If Hawaii overcomes UGA (chaka, uga, uga, uga chaka) next month, non-BCS conference teams will be 3-0 in BCS bowls, equivalent to the SEC's record in title games.
Perhaps the BCS bowls will be better off without the overrated, overhyped SEC and Big 10 and their supremacist attitudes. Was anyone really surprised that with over a half-dozen teams regarded almost equally that the mythical championship game will be between the two conferences that dominate the sports media...again?
by Calvert on Dec 3, 2007 4:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Utah
OU overlooked Boise, were flat for 3 quarters and Boise still needed every trick in the book to eek out a win. Great for them, but there needs to be some perspective.
by marcillac on Dec 3, 2007 4:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Utah beat Pitt
by Calvert on Dec 3, 2007 5:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
on Utah vs. Pitt
by crepuscular on Dec 4, 2007 7:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Completely disagree
by DoubleB on Dec 3, 2007 6:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In my original
Perhaps even the Georgia/WFV Sugar Bowl was constitutes a somewhat similar phenomenon.
In any case, Hawaii will have its chance against Georgia ("The Hottest Team in the Country") and WFV against OU and I for one am really looking forward to it (unlike the vast majority of the uber crappy bowls). Hope everyone shows up though.
by marcillac on Dec 4, 2007 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
Bob Stoops is a very good coach. If he can get his kids up for the Baylors and Tulsas of this world, I think he can get them up for Boise State.
by DoubleB on Dec 4, 2007 2:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And isn't...
Also, isn't it amazing how when some teams (LSU immediately comes to mine) eek out wins every week by 2 or 3 points in the final seconds, they're "getting the job done" and therefore an excellent team, but when others (Hawaii immediately comes to mind) do it, they're "just getting by" and therefore overrated?
by Shawn1228 on Dec 4, 2007 3:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
See, here's the thing
(I do agree with your first point, by the way; not being prepared is a coaching failure, not an excuse.)
by peachy on Dec 4, 2007 8:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LSU's
Again, as I comment elsewhere some Hawaii players (e.g. Colt Brennan) will be drafted not lower than the 2nd round, some LSU players (e.g. Matt Flynn) will be lucky to be taken in the 6th.
We'll see what happens with Georgia and I'm certainly hoping for a close game. Its highly likely, however, that the Rainbow defense would have been shredded by at least 5 (Florida, Kentucky, Ole Miss, Arkansas, Tennessee) of LSU's opponents to the point where even mister Brennan and his receivers at their best could not have saved it.
by marcillac on Dec 5, 2007 3:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jim Tressel is a
Whatever the 44 deep disparity in athletecism between tOSU and Florida I think we can safely presume that this disparity between OU and Boise is far greater. When the physically inferior team takes a big lead over the physically superior one a lack of motivation on the part of the physically superior team can be safely presumed.
Most OU players will not play in the NFL. Some Boise players will. Boise's coaches and players deserve respect from programs up to and obviously including Oklahoma and will occassionally defeat them. This most emphatically does not meat that BSU and it peers can consitenly compete with OU and LSU. Certainly one would be inclined to wager large amounts of money against such teams winning 4 or even 3, probably even 2 games in a playoff.
by marcillac on Dec 5, 2007 3:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Based on what
What is that comment based on? High school recruiting rankings? The conferences these teams play in? The names on the front of their jerseys? Usually the biggest difference between quality BCS programs and non-BCS schools is line play. Other than the fact Boise tired down the stretch of that game (particularly on the D-line), I thought line play was pretty even. The stats show it and watching the game showed it.
Your assumptions seem to be based solely on the fact that one team is Oklahoma and the other is Boise State.
by DoubleB on Dec 6, 2007 2:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Keeping in mind the no-third-team rule ...
I agree Missouri has a better resume than Illinois and got left out. But I'm not sure Kansas does - their best win is over the sixth-best team in a conference with five good teams. Illinois has at least three better wins than Kansas's win over Texas A&M (Ohio State, Wisconsin, Penn State).
by SpartanDan on Dec 3, 2007 5:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
New Mexico
But a combination of TCU not wanting to go to New Mexico and the Texas Bowl not wanting to have New Mexico led to a deal being struck.
On the Boise/Hawaii thing, apparently the WAC gave Boise the choice of where they wanted to play, and the Broncos let the players choose, and the result was kind of inevitable.
by spudsfan on Dec 3, 2007 5:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It was meant as humor,
That said, there will be more.
Finally, before you "pooh-pooh" are Fun Factoid, the conference records in the BCS Title game are thus -
SEC 3-0
Big 12 2-3
Big East 1-2
ACC 1-2
Big 10 1-1
Pac 10 1-1
In that light, 3-0 looks damn impressive.
by Mergz on Dec 4, 2007 9:40 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
You're not the only one, Mergz
by SMQ on Dec 4, 2007 11:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I also talk about...
I think, if you asked most serious SEC bloggers, they'd probably agree. Sure, there are a few Southern partisans who think the SEC is the fastest conference everer!!! But every conference has those people. At least we don't blame the layover when our teams lose.
by cocknfire on Dec 4, 2007 3:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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