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Around SBN: Kentucky Basketball: Where the Wildcats Stand as of Today

GAMEDAY OPEN THREAD: WINGING IT.

The more I think about USC at Oregon, the more excited I get for the potential fireworks this afternoon in the rare collision of elite defense and elite offense, but even if the Trojans and Ducks turn in the game of the year (if that's still even possible after the last three weeks LSU's had) I won't be watching: instead, I'll be a pilgrim in Darrell K. Royal for Bill Callahan's Farewell Meltdown Tour date with the Longhorns at the same time.


I feel your pain, brother. Not for the same reason, but I feel it.
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Most people prefer the atmosphere of the stadium, but I'm torn: I don't have any particular emotional investment in the Huskers or Horns, certainly not anything like the investment I have in good football, generally, and so the fun of live action is inevitably tinged with the regret of drama unseen. Still, given the choice of USC-Oregon or Nebraska-Texas tickets in August, I'd have taken the ones I have today, and my only solace in the likely event of UT beatdown this afternoon is that I wasn't actually faced with the option. For completely selfish reasons, I'll be rooting for a blowout one way or the other in Eugene, and in Jacksonville, too, and hoping something closer to the Big 12 championship preview we expected in the summer than the 23-point spread we have today. And also, you know, chilling with family I haven't seen in months, etc. I can't really lose here.

At any rate, I'll be an absentee landlord for most of today's thread, so the especially hard rocking that usually goes on therein is left up to you, reader. All games are in play. Now I am confident that you gentlemen will review without passion the games and players and ridiculous commercials that you have seen, and come to a decision, and offer this decision to your fellow commenters in humorous fashion.

In the name of God, do your duty. In the name of God, rock this comment thread.

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i agree with you SMQ...
i would rather spend my day watching football game after football game (9 am to 10:30 pm for me...) than go to one game.

unless it is incredibly important for the jayhawks...

by rockchalk on Oct 27, 2007 11:54 AM EDT reply actions  

UofL v. Pitt
The only home game I am not attending this year.

The only chance we have is that Pitt's coach is worse than ours. Arguably.

by CardsFan922 on Oct 27, 2007 11:54 AM EDT reply actions  

my viewing schedule...
early slot:
primary -- west virginia-rutgers
secondary -- indiana-wisconsin/michigan state-iowa

second slot:
primary -- usc-oregon
secondary -- georgia-florida/nebraska-texas/virginia-nc state

third slot:
primary -- kansas -a&m
secondary -- south carolina-tennessee/ohio state-penn state

fourth slot:
primary -- cal-arizona state

thats what ill be watching, with channel checks mixed in throughout...

by rockchalk on Oct 27, 2007 11:57 AM EDT reply actions  

Huh
Somebody please tell me why in the hell ESPN is showing horse racing right now.

by Tom @ Sunday Morning Quarterback on Oct 27, 2007 12:02 PM EDT reply actions  

any good games online? free?
stuck in the office today

Yahoo has UKY-Miss St.

by EconoMz on Oct 27, 2007 12:23 PM EDT reply actions  

thanks, but probably no
university internets and all ...

oh well, i'll just enjoy the andre woodson fireworks show til gator radio picks up the cocktail party. should be fun.

by EconoMz on Oct 27, 2007 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you change your mind...
channelsurfing.net

by chilltown1491 on Oct 27, 2007 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

WOW!
Steve Slaton doesn't look hurt anymore.

by chilltown1491 on Oct 27, 2007 12:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh God
They have Dan Hawkins' wife mic'd up?  This should be... interesting.

by Tom @ Sunday Morning Quarterback on Oct 27, 2007 12:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Mistake
I think I made a mistake going for quantity over quality when I negotiated attendance of football games this year with the Mrs.  Picked Oregon at Washington and ASU at Oregon with a weekend of chores inbetween.  I think the game for Oregon today will be better than the previous or following week.  God bless TiVo.

by jfwells on Oct 27, 2007 12:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Glen Mason
Come some school hire this fool? Because he's making my ears bleed as a broadcaster, on the Big Ten Network.

Again, I'll be the token guy watching the Northwestern-Purdue game here.

Northwestern just scored on an awesome hook-and-ladder play, and all Mason can babble about is Pat Fitzgerald "managing the game."

NU has turned the ball over four times, yet we're still tied on the road. Strange game.

by RotoJeff on Oct 27, 2007 1:36 PM EDT reply actions  

UK - Miss St.
So, of course Mississippi St. is ahead right now - dogs-and-cats living together, mass hysteria in the SEC East right now.

by RotoJeff on Oct 27, 2007 1:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Bad Call
Mississippi St. totally got hosed on a late hit call, giving Kentucky a first down when they would have been short on a Woodson run on 3rd down. The refs ruled late hit, when Woodson was clearly in bounds. Horrendous call.

by RotoJeff on Oct 27, 2007 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow, bad call
In the UK - Miss St game -- Woodson was running on a naked bootleg for the 1st down and right next to the sideline and the Safety came in and nailed him right at the fist down marker...except the ref threw a flag saying he was out of bounds.

The Daves were LIVID.

Then on the next play, the playclock is running out on UK and MSU calls a timeout with 1 second left?

Not quite sure what the strategy is there, Dave. Me neither, Dave.

by CardsFan922 on Oct 27, 2007 1:45 PM EDT reply actions  

The Daves
Love the "Daves" comments. Yeah, production values there, um, not-so-slick.

by RotoJeff on Oct 27, 2007 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Another questionable call
The ball is on the ground, the MSU players fly for it and they incidentally hit the RB who dropped the screen pass.

Bad luck for UK as locke looked like he got hurt, although he'll probably be back.

by CardsFan922 on Oct 27, 2007 1:48 PM EDT reply actions  

hey daves, you're live
is anyone else hearing this studio banter? i don't think they knew they were on

"Carroll for Heisman, go with that ..."

"say something about `this is the best Miss St has played all year' ..."

by EconoMz on Oct 27, 2007 2:14 PM EDT reply actions  

"Sing like no one's listening...."
"Announce like no one's watching."

I think the Daves are living right.

by CardsFan922 on Oct 27, 2007 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Upset in the making!"
The Daves are calling the game of the day.

24-7 MSU over UK right now. 8+ in the 3rd quarter so plenty of time for a UK comeback.

I think UK has only had the ball like 4 times this whole game. TD, punt, missed FG, blocked/fumbled punt (not sure, switching back and forth).

by CardsFan922 on Oct 27, 2007 2:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Meanwhile, in Louisville's game
Kragthorpe and Wanny are competing for the worst coach in the Big East award.

Pitt's offense sucks so bad, yet somehow they are still within a TD with the ball in the 4th.

UofL should have put this game away in the 3rd, but we started calling plays like there was 6 minutes to go in the 4th (run, run, run, screen, run).

Gross.

At least UK is losing.

by CardsFan922 on Oct 27, 2007 2:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Bad 5 minute swing...
...UK scores on a Woodson to Johnson jumpball on 4th and 7 from the 37.

Pitt has driven down to 3rd and 2 from the 8.

And now UK has the ball back.

by CardsFan922 on Oct 27, 2007 2:48 PM EDT reply actions  

TD PITT...
it sure looks like louisville missed on kragthorpe.

by rockchalk on Oct 27, 2007 2:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Could we...
...feed our coach to your coach?

Pitt is terrible.

No matter what happens today, we are going 0-3 against the tale end of our schedule (@WVU, @USF, and Rutgers).

by CardsFan922 on Oct 27, 2007 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

i hope you guys beat west va...
how long will it take for kragthorpe to leave?

him and AD are good friends right? if so, wouldnt that psosibly give him an extra year or two?

by rockchalk on Oct 27, 2007 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

The whole "good friends" thing...
...is overblown.

They were friends but Jurich will not keep him around longer than he should because of that.

If we lose out (although it looks like we'll win today) then I don't think Krag will be back.

There's a 35% chance they just fire all the assistants and give krag another year with the new staff.

by CardsFan922 on Oct 27, 2007 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh,
...and there's NO WAY we've beating WVU.

by CardsFan922 on Oct 27, 2007 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not the Wildcats we saw the last two weeks
Kentucky finally picks up one of Miss State's fumbles. Might be too late for a momentum shift. But then ...

The 4th -- 4th! KY turnover kills the drive.

by EconoMz on Oct 27, 2007 3:11 PM EDT reply actions  

31-14 mississippi state...
oh boy.

talk about a letdown, although you cant really blame them. two weeks in a row with home games against lsu and florida...

by rockchalk on Oct 27, 2007 3:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Make that SIX turnovers
Woodson's favorite play, the jumpball, fails him on a long INT.

by CardsFan922 on Oct 27, 2007 3:25 PM EDT reply actions  

kentucky loses...
just another shocker.

oregon up early on usc 7-0.

by rockchalk on Oct 27, 2007 3:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Best sign seen on College Game Day
Mark Mark wears Penn St. pajamas

by EOWT on Oct 27, 2007 4:03 PM EDT reply actions  

texas is pretty bad..
they are tied with the cornhuskers 3-3 halfway through the 2nd quarter.

the longhorns just arent very good this year.

michigan is also struggling with minnesota, down 10-3.

the college football landscape is changing drastically...

by rockchalk on Oct 27, 2007 4:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Michigan
They're playing without Chad Henne and Mike Hart.

Not that that really excuses it, though.  This is the same Minnesota team that lost to North Dakota State -- and no offense to NDSU, but Michigan's third-stringers would start for them.

by Tom @ Sunday Morning Quarterback on Oct 27, 2007 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

WLOCP
This game is rocking.  Richt took the leash off the Dawgs (awful pun intended) and they're completely fired up.  Taunting, big plays, hard hitting.  It's 21-17 Georgia at the half.  Channeling Keith Jackson, strap in for the second half, it's gonna be a doozy!

by DallasTiger on Oct 27, 2007 5:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Colt McCoy
Considering how many shots he takes, you gotta wonder... do his offensive linemen hate him or something?

by Tom @ Sunday Morning Quarterback on Oct 27, 2007 5:15 PM EDT reply actions  

17-3, Nebraska
What is the deal with Texas?  This is the second game this season where they've completely mailed it in (okay, really it's about the fourth, but it didn't matter if they mailed it in against Arkansas State or UCF.)  Really, Vince Young was a special player... he made Mack Brown look like a genius, which he pretty clearly isn't.

by Tom @ Sunday Morning Quarterback on Oct 27, 2007 5:46 PM EDT reply actions  

uh-huh.
texas without vince young is a pretty bad football team.

by rockchalk on Oct 27, 2007 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

texas is playing like absolute crap right now..
big 12 north will probably be the better division next season...

by rockchalk on Oct 27, 2007 5:50 PM EDT reply actions  

If they're not already...
Seriously, assuming K-State beats Baylor (likely) and Nebraska beats Texas (looking good right now, though I wouldn't be so sure just yet), the North will be 8-7 against the South, and three of those losses were by Iowa State.  I guess three losses by Iowa State makes up for three wins over Baylor, but still.

Three games remaining: KU @ A&M; A&M @ Mizzou; OSU @ KU.

by Tom @ Sunday Morning Quarterback on Oct 27, 2007 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

texas' wins this season:
arkansas state
tcu
central florida
rice
iowa state
baylor

yuck.

could they lose their last 4 games (@ okie state, vs. texas tech and @ texas A&M) and not make a bowl?

by rockchalk on Oct 27, 2007 5:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Maybe
It would take a lot for them not to make a bowl, though.  If Texas is 6-6 along with a bunch of other Big 12 teams you know that the Independence/Texas Bowl is going to take them.  (i.e., sorry, but a bowl game isn't going to take Colorado over Texas unless they have to.)

by Tom @ Sunday Morning Quarterback on Oct 27, 2007 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

you are probably right...
but there is a rule that you have to take all 7-5 teams before any 6-6 teams are taken.

so it is still possible...

by rockchalk on Oct 27, 2007 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Big 12 has eight bowl slots, right?
Nine if they get two teams in the BCS... right now Iowa State and Baylor are the only teams surely not bowl eligible, but the other ten all could be.  But at least a couple of those will be 6-6... hell, it could be Texas and Nebraska.

by Tom @ Sunday Morning Quarterback on Oct 27, 2007 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously?
Why the hell are they asking Roger Clemens on the sideline and asking him about Joe Torre?  I'm not watching baseball right now, am I?

by Tom @ Sunday Morning Quarterback on Oct 27, 2007 6:07 PM EDT reply actions  

What the hell?
Go out for a little shopping to make the wife happy, I come back to TOTALCHAOSOMG.
  1. GA beating Florida?
  2. Uconn beating USF?
  3. Oregon beating USC
  4. Nebraska beating Texas?
  5. Nc State beating Virginia?
I thought the 3:30 games would be boring today

by CardsFan922 on Oct 27, 2007 6:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Total chaos?
None of those are really that surprising.  Especially this season.

by Tom @ Sunday Morning Quarterback on Oct 27, 2007 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess this season...
...there are no surprises, but some of those are at least mildly surprising.  And the combo of all 5 made me say "whoa" when I sat down to check the scoreboard on the computer.

I think the only choice is to never leave the house again on a Saturday afternoon.

by CardsFan922 on Oct 27, 2007 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well
Georgia over Florida: surprising, but only mildly so.  Florida's coming off a draining win over Kentucky, while Georgia's had two weeks to prepare.
Nebraska over Texas: Have you watched Texas at all this year?
UConn over USF: Eh, UConn's been doing a lot with smoke and mirrors (and some really lucky breaks) but they're 6-1 coming in.
NC State over UVA: See UConn above, but if this keeps up this looks like prime material for life on the margins.
Oregon over USC: Like Texas... have you watched USC this year?  Or Oregon for that matter... considering these teams' level of play this year, this result is no surprise.

by Tom @ Sunday Morning Quarterback on Oct 27, 2007 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think oregon
is the second best team in the country after lsu...

not to say that those two should meet up just because they are the two most talented, but that is just IMO.

the other 4 arent all that surprising, nc state over virginia the most surprising to me. uconn over usf is pretty surprising as well and goergia-florida is mildly suprising...

by rockchalk on Oct 27, 2007 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

TEBOW = MVP?
Because clearly Florida is not the same team without Tebow being 100%.

Although I guess Tebow doesn't play defense. Have they been picking on these CBs all game?

by CardsFan922 on Oct 27, 2007 6:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Florida Cornerbacks
Yes, when Moreno hasn't been making crazy runs all over the field.  

by DallasTiger on Oct 27, 2007 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

and texas just scored a TD...
17-15 cornhuskers.

longhorns going for two...

they didnt get it.

by rockchalk on Oct 27, 2007 6:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Florida seems to have forgotten how to tackle
The cornerbacks are playing soft and they;re missing tackles on the Georgia running game.

by DallasTiger on Oct 27, 2007 6:47 PM EDT reply actions  

south florida has 1st and goal
on the connecticut 8.

2:45 left in the game...

by rockchalk on Oct 27, 2007 6:55 PM EDT reply actions  

3rd and goal at the 1...
connecticut up 22-15...

grothe was just sacked.

4th and 11 with a minute left, they will have to go for it.

i wish i was watching this instead of stupid nebraska-texas.

by rockchalk on Oct 27, 2007 6:58 PM EDT reply actions  

incomplete pass..
game over.

uconn wins.

usf's fairty tale ride sure ended quickly.

by rockchalk on Oct 27, 2007 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Groethe
The guy is still just a sophomore, and he's not a great QB.  He has flashes, but overall he still makes a lot of mistakes (or fails to make good plays).

With that defense and their coaching, they'll just keep getting better.

Good luck against A&M.

by CardsFan922 on Oct 27, 2007 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

But all of a sudden...
UConn is sort of a threat to win the Big East.  As if this season couldn't get any weirder.

by Tom @ Sunday Morning Quarterback on Oct 27, 2007 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Texas-nebraska
Good ending, but the pinkshirts jsut didnt have it in um to make a final stop.

Uconn has mojo right now, but WV will put the beat down on um...think what VT did to wake last season when wake was looking real good.

Arizona is starting to show the promise of a highscoring offense under sonny dykes, but the defense is regressing, hopefully stoops gets one more year to perfect the season before they fire him....but its a crazy year and you never know what will happen.

by AngryAngel65 on Oct 27, 2007 7:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Hey SMQ
If you check in tonight, sorry you did all that work on the "Take my division, please..." under the false assumption that Kentucky would win this week.

So where does the SEC stand now? Tennessee has a chance to stand alone atop the SEC east at 3-2, with three 3-3 teams in the middle.

Classic.

by CardsFan922 on Oct 27, 2007 8:17 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm an idiot
Georgia on top at 4-2.

But still, log-jam.

by CardsFan922 on Oct 27, 2007 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

So ...
That defensive slugfest everyone expected in Happy Valley? Not so much, at least at the start - FG, TD, TD on the first three drives (before OSU forced a punt that was downed inside the 10; they're on the move again).

by SpartanDan on Oct 27, 2007 8:57 PM EDT reply actions  

tOSU
I think they are good because:
  1. Coaching -- Tressel is really good.
  2. Talent -- top recruits year after year
  3. Big 10 schedule -- weak
In a year with good teams losing week after week, tOSU keeps winning. I wish they had a Texas-type game on their schedule this year (although obv not Texas) so we could gauge how good they are.

But despite my anti-tOSU bias, you have to hand it to them: they keep winning.

by CardsFan922 on Oct 27, 2007 9:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Kansas
I'm a believer!

Kansas v. BC for the MNC baby.

by CardsFan922 on Oct 27, 2007 9:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Not likely
As bad as OSU's schedule is, Kansas's is worse. If both go unbeaten, OSU has to have the advantage.

by SpartanDan on Oct 27, 2007 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm assuming
tOSU loses to either Mich or Wisconsin.  Or lord help us the fightin' zooks come up with a win.

seriously though, at this point, Arizona St. and WVU is a potential MNC match-up.

I don't even think you can come up with reasonable non-OSU/BC scenarios.  So might as well throw Kansas in there!

by CardsFan922 on Oct 27, 2007 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dangerous assumption to make
I don't think there's much chance of OSU losing in the regular season. Wisconsin's not going to do anything against that defense, nor is Illinois (I'm a grad student there, and I'm already having nightmarish visions of various pratfalls involving the occasionally catastrophically-inept Juice Williams). Michigan might achieve something on offense, but there's the whole Jim-Tressel-versus-Lloyd-Carr factor there (and if Henne re-aggravates his injury to the point that Mallett has to play that game, "doomed" would not begin to do it justice).

by SpartanDan on Oct 27, 2007 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I understand
That's the rational way to look at it, and if there is any team that can avoid the 2007 college football MANIA or whatever it is we're experiencing week after week it is Ohio State.

Will be interesting to see if Illinois learned from the Iowa game.

by CardsFan922 on Oct 27, 2007 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

From what I saw against Michigan ...
... the answer is a resounding "no". I wish I could say I've never seen a team so proficient with the footgun, but I lived through four years of John L. at MSU.

by SpartanDan on Oct 27, 2007 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

i disagree..
before BC's win thursday night against va tech, the BEST win of ANY of the unbeatens was kansas' win @ kansas state according to sagarin.

we will still have to play @ okie state, another solid big 12 team, misery (which will be top 10 if they dont lose again) and a possible meeting with a possible top 5 oklahoma. if we can go undefeated, we will without a doubt have faced a MUCH tougher schedule than tOSUs...

but i still think they get in over us, because everyone has heard of the buckeyes, people are used to kansas sucking big time at football.

by rockchalk on Oct 27, 2007 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dream big, rockchalk
But having gone through this a year ago with Louisville, Kansas has to be the ONLY undefeated team left to get into the MNC.

A 1-loss LSU gets in because the voters still matter  a ton and SEC coaches have no morals.

And voters would never, ever, ever, have Kansas jump LSU, only because their name is Kansas.

It sucks, it is unfair, and the system is awful.

But root for EVERYONE above you to lose a game (except OK, obv). And I'll be rooting right there with you.

by CardsFan922 on Oct 27, 2007 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

i know it is highly unlikely...
but i like dreaming.

it isnt like we have seasons like these very often,,,

by rockchalk on Oct 28, 2007 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Schedule strength
I had forgotten about the Big XII title game, which would make it pretty close (assuming it is Oklahoma). But everyone left on Ohio State's schedule is decent. Unless the Big XII title game is against Oklahoma, OSU will win schedule strength in the end. (If it is Oklahoma, Kansas will have the edge but not by a whole lot.)

by SpartanDan on Oct 27, 2007 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

OMG
Mitchell, come on man! That was awful.

That's one of those plays that as soon as you see the QB throw it up like that, you know that when the camera pans there are going to be 3 guys from the opposing team waiting for that ball. A throw like that never ends well.

Great game though....two 21-0 runs, followed by 3 straight turnovers inside the 35.

by CardsFan922 on Oct 27, 2007 10:52 PM EDT reply actions  

OSU PSU
Man morelli threw his pick six right to the defense, if it wasnt morelli I would think he was point shaving....

by AngryAngel65 on Oct 27, 2007 11:02 PM EDT reply actions  

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